Folks are starting to pick up on some of the weirdness going on in Ours to Keep, so I wanted to talk about it with a bit more room than I’d have in a few tweets. Also, there are some minor spoilers, and if you squint and read between the lines in a few places, a couple of big spoilers. So be warned.
The summary on this fic talks about secrets getting out, whether or not they belong to the dead, and by now there are a lot of secrets going around. Some are getting out, while some are still bubbling to the surface, but it’s really only a matter of time before this whole mess explodes. I said on Twitter the other day that chapter 3 establishes two different things that are not necessarily mutually exclusive:
- Odin and Frigga have exhausted their ability to trust and be patient with Loki
- All of Loki’s adult siblings like one another more than they like their parents
I don’t think I worded it quite like that, but idk how to search Twitter to get my exact phrasing. But those two things are established in how the kids will turn on a dime from shittalking and arguing with one another to ride or die into hell together. Angela’s performative(?) disgust with Loki and Sylvie doesn’t matter once Odin shows up to break up their fun. They’re also at ages where it’s a little bit difficult to get across the differences between them, without just outright stating, “Angela is 35 years old” or whatever, because once a person reaches a certain level of adulthood they’ve pretty much settled. I’ve always found age gaps between kids much easier to illustrate that way as a result. Aside from Sylvie’s line about there being a big gap between Thor and Angela, and Roger making reference to having already moved out by the time Loki and Sylvie were in high school, it’s all very vague.
Not that it really matters, but here are the age differences between what has become the core group of delinquents at the centre of this story:
- There is an eleven-year gap between Angela and Thor, with several other kids in between them (Hela, Tyr, and Roger).
- There is enough of a difference between Sylvie and Loki that her birthday is actually the day before his; something he is still teased about, re: being the baby brother, despite having three brothers younger than him (Hermod, Balder, and Vidar).
- There is a four-year gap between Roger and Thor, and he was adopted when he was in middle school (unlike the twins, who were adopted at birth).
- There is a six-month gap between Thor and the twins.
- Laussa is about 18 months. I thought about ageing her up, but the hilarity of people in their 20s and 30s having an infant sister was too much to pass up, and also helps say a lot about where Odin and Frigga’s priorities seem to lie.
Figuring out the ages of these characters in particular was necessary because it helps establish why their relationship is the way it is. Thor is particularly close with the twins (and especially Loki) because they’re practically triplets. And yet, he’s not actually one of them so he’s still kept at arm’s length about some things. Obviously nobody knows about what Loki and Sylvie get up to, and it needs to stay that way. And obviously it’s not going to, because one of these motherfuckers is going to find out. (Let’s be real, it’s a story about secrets getting out and was part of the prompt; this is not much of a spoiler.)
So with all of that laid out, let’s start talking about the things people have begun to notice. Particularly with how weird the interludes are. And I’m so glad those interludes are starting to make people take a step back and ask questions, because if I’ve done this right, on a second read, these interludes will hit completely different. Several people have made about half a connection between what happened in the chapter 3 interlude, and the chapter 1 scene between Loki and Sylvie. There is a very real connection, and the people who have seen it are all asking the right questions. What changed?
In the chapter 3 interlude, Loki is not only hesitant; he’s outright uncomfortable. He was able to justify things a bit easier when they’d used their hands on one another, but Sylvie telling him to get on top of her crossed a line for him and he’s having a hard time reconciling it. He puts up what seems to be a token resistance, but as soon as she touches him, he gives up. He lets her take control, and her control eventually emboldens him to do things that have probably been in the back of his mind for a while. There’s a line that states he’s noticed her chest in the past, but never like that. What it doesn’t state is that he had the perfectly reasonable “ew, my sister’s body. gross” reaction that might have been more appropriate.
Utterly unrelated, but also very related, this was one of my favourite things about Allison and Luther in the Umbrella Academy. Even though all of the kids were adopted, they still had that visceral reaction about the relationship. But the fact that Sylvie and Loki are still related by blood, despite being adopted, lives in the back of Loki’s mind, I think. She is the only “real” sibling he has, although I don’t think even they think in such terms honestly. There’s a scene coming up in the next chapter where there are about six openings for him to throw that in Thor’s face, and not once did it feel right to have him do it. Thor is his brother exactly the same way Sylvie is his sister. Now, whether Sylvie being his only blood relation has played into this relationship of theirs on a subconscious level, I think that is up for debate. But it could very easily be argued that Loki knows she’s the closest connection to anything he will ever have, and that’s why everything was able to get so far out of hand.
More likely, as others picked up on, Loki was in a vulnerable position, and Sylvie was willing to push his boundaries. Perhaps first out of curiosity, but Loki does wonder if she’s been curious for longer than he’d realised. I think, at the time of the chapter 1 interlude, Sylvie is aware that Loki is a bit of a “late bloomer,” having never dated, and has probably picked up on a bit of resentment toward her own boyfriend/s. I also don’t think she’s necessarily a virgin. She says she’s never seen “one hard” before, and maybe that’s true and all she’s done is some heavy petting and dry humping. Or maybe it’s a convenient lie to get Loki to lower his guard a bit (I don’t believe in having characters always speak the truth. Humans lie and misrepresent truths. So should characters). But the show-you-mine, show-me-yours play between them isn’t exactly innocent here. Either way, I think the reality is that she is a hormonal 15 year old girl making bad choices she can’t take back. Whether she’s intentionally grooming Loki or not, again I’m not sure. I waffled on even adding a tag for it, because whatever’s going on between them is definitely grooming-adjacent, but it also doesn’t feel right to call it that. Either way, the consent has been dubious at best, and in the case of chapter 3, was straight up non-existent for a few minutes. He told her he needed to study, and she barged in anyway and shoved her hand down his pants. I’ve always liked playing with consent issues like this, because even though he didn’t say no with his mouth, the “no” was implied. But it’s also a nuance that a fifteen year old might not be able to fully grasp, especially in a culture of “only no means no.” After all, he was already hard, so clearly he wanted it. Right?
When I went into this, I didn’t expect Sylvie to be a talker during sex. It just kind of happened as a natural progression of that first scene of them together. Loki initiated that encounter, but they didn’t have sex until he grovelled for a bit first. She got upset with him over the wreck, and he went and threw a super adult and mature tantrum over it. Then he went into her room and basically begged forgiveness before she rolled over for him. People have noticed in the interludes that she’s kind of telling on herself, using manipulative language when she wants him to play along. And she still does that now, in the present scenes. Loki gets off on her praise. It was subtle in that first chapter, but the thing that he gets off to is making sure Sylvie is pleased with him. It’s a pattern that starts to form in the chapter 2 interlude, where even though Loki goes into her room, his bigger concern is making sure he does things how she wants so he doesn’t get kicked out. When she barges in on him in chapter 3, she does so aware of this. She noticed. And that’s why she starts saying the things she does when she’s on top of him. By giving him praise and the responsibility for her pleasure, knowing that he’s likely a bit starved for both, she can keep him wanting more, and she can fill a dry spell until she finds a boyfriend who isn’t so coy.
The problem is she’s fifteen, and in lacking nuance and finesse, goes too far. She has put this seed into his head that they’re made for one another, and affection-starved Loki is going to take that to its logical conclusion.
A couple of people have pointed out that the best thing for present-day Loki would be to move out. The question has also been raised about why Sylvie moved out, and not Loki. But Sylvie already answered that question: one of them had to, and it was never going to be him. Loki is a grown man who throws temper tantrums and skips dinner because his brother said mean things to him. He seems incapable of maintaining adult relationships, and is evasive over their failure. He lives in a bedroom so small it can’t fit anything bigger than a twin-sized bed, while all of his other adult siblings fled as soon as they were able. He spends his money on drugs and the sort of cars a teenager puts poster of up on his walls, while having zero expenses otherwise. Frigga and Odin pay for his insurance. Odin paid off a judge for him, and now he’s treated like a child who can’t be trusted to be in charge of his own medication.
Of course Loki hasn’t moved out. He has not matured past fifteen years old, and has been enabled in this arrest.
It takes Roger, who is implied to have moved a bit further away than the rest, to come back and see this situation with fresh eyes to realise everything is fucked up beyond reason. Thor and Angela and Sylvie are still close enough to have not seen the problem developing, because it happened slowly over the course of almost a decade. Roger was already moved out by the time things with Sylvie started getting weird, and probably only sees most of the family for Christmas and maybe a week over the summer. And now Loki’s wreck has exacerbated everything, and made the problems stand out like a neon sign. Somehow, Loki walked away from something that should have killed him, and Angela is right. If it had been anyone else, they’d have been on their own. But Loki has always been slow to develop and mature, and now he’s 24 years old and Odin is still cleaning up his messes.
And I don’t think Odin and Frigga are necessarily being abusive here. Not in a true definition of the word. If anything, they’re enabling him. They’re afraid that he’s going to kill himself, either directly or as a consequence of his drug habit, and the only way they know how to protect him from that is to basically tie him down so he doesn’t hurt himself. He’s already suffering from severely stunted maturity and unable to perform even the most basic self-care at times, and they’ve taken away what little agency he might have had left. It wasn’t out of malice or ill-intent, but the opposite. And in fact, Loki feed off it. He doesn’t have to have responsibilities, and can continue to be fifteen forever. He can’t be trusted to take care of himself, so he’s not allowed to even try. And deep down, he loves it. That’s why he doesn’t fight it, when he’ll throw down with his uncle at a moment’s notice. And because they’ve been taking care of him his entire life, nobody’s noticed how bad it’s got until now.
And if the name Johnny Gossamer means anything to you, keep him in mind. That’s all I’ll say about that.
And another little detail that I have in my mind and which will probably not make it into the narrative at all is that with the exception of Roger (for obvious reasons) all of the kids have Norse names by birth. I don’t know what Sylvie’s is, but the fact that there are two characters in canon (both comics and the MCU) who go by Anglophone names instead of their given names was delightful because I was able to very neatly sidestep the fact that Sylvie stands out like this. This is a large reason Angela is a main character. She is convenient in having an Anglo name, but also her acidic personality and weird relationship with Loki in the comics made her the perfect foil for all of this. She’s the firstborn, so she got out of this nightmare first, changed her name to something easier to pronounce, and is living her best life in the city. I think Sylvie probably changed her name around middle school, whether legally or not, and just refuses to acknowledge whatever name she was given at birth. A whiff of this does come out in the end, but I was never able to fully make it work for the simple reason that obviously she was not called Loki at birth in this universe, and I just didn’t want to give her another name that she doesn’t even use. So yeah. Sylvie and Angela changed their names, and I think sometimes Roger calls himself Thor just to be a pain in the dick about it.